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Interview: Miles Kowalewski Interviews Eric Shapiro

Eric Shapiro is a writer and filmmaker. He wrote Macho, the forthcoming Randy Savage biopic produced by Artists for Artists, Midas Entertainment, and Range Media Partners, and  Behind the Facade, a feature screenplay developed by Rebel Six Films. His films have screened at Fantasia and Fantastic Fest and streamed on Netflix and Hulu. A California Journalism Award winner, he is editor and co-owner of The Milpitas Beat.

Eric’s latest movie Intrusive just started streaming on Tubi. His next movie, Horrorbuku starts streaming on YouTube channel Kings of Horror.

Eric was kind enough to answer questions about screenwriting and filmmaking asked by aspiring horror movie screenwriter Miles Kowalewski.

Interview with Eric Shapiro

Miles: When and where did your screenwriting journey start? What got you into It?

Eric: I think directing came first. I was 12 and had started making movies with a camcorder. The more I studied the craft, the more I learned about how screenplays were formatted and how stories were structured. So little by little, I tackled screenwriting from various angles: formatting, dialogue, action scenes, narrative architecture. I’m constantly learning more about it.

Miles: How would you explain what you do to people who don’t know what screenwriting is?

Eric: You’re essentially writing a very advanced blueprint for a movie or serial. The screenplay medium is stripped down to scene headers, action, and dialogue. By design, it’s meant for other people to come in and interpret. You don’t say where the camera goes (usually; unless you’re directing, or you can’t help yourself!). You don’t tell the actors how to say their lines. It has to get the story and characters across in a clean, pointed way.

Miles: What is your overall process for outlining?

Eric: It takes some time for the story structure to start clicking in my head. It’s a metabolic thing, like the structure has to accord with the way my nervous system’s flowing. So I walk around daydreaming for a couple weeks (or sometimes several months). Then, ideally, a sort of flow state opens up. David Chase, the showrunner of The Sopranos, described it well; he said there was a point while planning every episode where he’d lie down on a couch and suddenly see the whole episode in his head as a string of scenes. You mess around with ideas and emotions and after a while it all – hopefully – congeals into a legible form. At that point, writing the outline becomes just writing out a list of scenes or sequences.

Miles: What are a few things you wish others to know about the exhibition and distribution process?

Eric: It’s constantly changing. I’ve been writing and directing movies professionally for almost 20 years and the distribution and monetization aspects have transformed about four times during that period. People in the business, or hoping to get in, should read trade publications like Deadline and Variety to stay on top of what’s happening. As of now, streaming is starting to resemble what we used to think of TV as: an ad-based model where the streamers and filmmakers make their money from commercials. A very slim margin of the industry still releases work theatrically, and that’s become a bloodsport. You’ll see a few big hits and then months of stagnation. The industry is trying to become systemized in the wake of Covid and after having been decentralized by social media and our phones.

Miles: What do you think is the most important, plot, themes or characters and why?

Eric: I think it’s the characters. Ideally, their behavior will drive the plot and define the themes. The plot is what they want and how they go about getting it, or failing to, or both. The themes are the meanings derived from that process. But it starts with a vivid, identifiable character and their psyche and circumstances and way of relating to other people and the world.

Miles: How does screenwriting vary throughout different types of mediums? Shorts? Music videos?

Eric: I’ve done shorts from just an index card of notes. It depends. Under all circumstances, there should be a written plan of where you’re going, as it unifies the cast and crew and narrows the possibilities into something coherent. I shot a music video last year where we worked from a list of shots and mini scenarios. If a short is more dramatic or has defined characters and ambition, I’ll write a proper screenplay for it, formatted like a feature script.

Miles: What is the overall process of film festivals?

Eric: It’s brutal! I directed a short film called The Algorithm in 2024; it did the festival circuit in 2025. I think we had a 15% acceptance rate, and we won a couple of awards, so we did well. But you have to submit widely and intelligently. Make sure you’re targeting festivals that match your genre and attitude; festivals have very specific identities and audiences. And nothing helps more than knowing people; you have a better chance of getting into a film festival if you have a way of accessing the deciding parties directly, which has seldom been the case for me. It’s very political.

Miles: Do you often write your ideas as different mediums first?

Eric: Only once in a while. I have a screenplay I co-wrote with my wife Rhoda called The Devoted that has been optioned about five times over the years. At one point, while thinking it wouldn’t get made, I wrote it as a novella just to get it out into the world. Usually, though, for me, a script is a script.

Miles: How do you keep yourself committed to writing and avoiding writer’s block?

Eric: You have to sit down and do it. It’s torture. I don’t think it’s ever easy, on any given day. I wrote a book called ASS PLUS SEAT about this topic. The idea is, you don’t wait for the muse to come to you. You sit down and start working, and only then does she appear. You sit around waiting, you’ll wait your whole life. Your work is like an offering. If the movie gods see you taking it seriously, then they’ll show up and give you more chances to prove yourself. I really believe that.

Miles: What does the horror genre mean to you?

Eric: It’s my white whale. I can’t get over the fact that some movies and books can actually scare you. Even as an adult, it doesn’t compute. How can images on a screen or words on a page cross all the barriers of logic required to grip your emotions like that? It’s not easy for a writer to access that fear state. I think every other emotion – humor, sadness, awe and wonder – is easier to get to, at least for me.

Miles: What project are you the most proud of and why?

Eric: I wrote a biopic screenplay about “Macho Man” Randy Savage that was picked up last year by Kenan Thompson’s company Artists for Artists. I started working on it almost a decade ago, with Macho Man’s real-life brother Lanny Poffo, who sadly passed away in 2023. Lanny and I had become good friends by then. I miss him very much and I’m proud to see our work advancing.

Miles: Do you have any particular influences on your writing and directing?

Eric: Too many to list. Unfortunately, this has become a political statement, but I owe a lot to David Mamet. Over and over again, he showed that you could make something tense and exciting with two people talking in a room. Or he could easily scale up to a major canvas. At any proportion, in his prime, it was all about human emotion and psychology. Anybody who thinks you can’t make an intense movie with limited resources should watch or read some of his early plays. A lot of them were adapted into films.

Miles: Do you often find yourself juggling different jobs between getting your films made?

Eric: Lately I’ve been drawing my income from filmmaking and screenwriting, but in between I’ll do ghostwriting and script doctoring. I also co-own a newspaper in Silicon Valley, so that keeps me busy all the time.

Miles: What are the hardest and easiest parts of getting your film made, from both when you started out vs. now?

Eric: Getting money is always hard. It’s harder now than ever; there’s so much competition, and such a crowded media ecosystem. I’m always out there networking to get projects going; it never stops, and there’s constant rejection and failure. It’s just the nature of the game. The easiest part is everything else; when you have a passion for doing it, it comes bursting out of you.

Miles: Do you have you have any particular advice to young people who want to keep the art of film and screenwriting alive?

Eric: Unleash your biggest, strangest emotions. We’re in a society that’s running at a dopamine deficit. People’s brains are hollowed out from screen addiction. They need movies to remind them they’re alive.

Miles: Is there anything you’d like to share with our audience of horror readers and librarians that we haven’t covered?

Eric: At this point, being a reader or a librarian is a heroic act. Thank you and keep going!

Interview: Eric Shapiro on Adapting Greg Gifune’s “Hoax” Into Film

It’s always cool to see how different media interact across platforms. Here, ML reviewer Colleen Wanglund interviews filmmaker Eric Shapiro about transforming Greg F. Gifune’s short story “Hoax”, which appears in his short story collection Down to Sleep into a short film. As a filmmaker, Shapiro’s first feature was Rule of Three, which won awards for Best Acting Performance at Shriekfest and Best Actor at Fantasia International Film Festival in 2010.  His second feature, Living Things, was released by Cinema Libre Studio in 2014. Shapiro’s current project is a 15-minute short film adaptation of Greg F. Gifune’s “Hoax”, starring Rodney Eastman, with DarkFuse as executive producer, and releasing the film via digital distribution.

In addition to making films, Shapiro is also an author, screenwriter, and ghostwriter. He has had numerous stories published in anthologies, and his books include Love & Zombies, The Devoted, Stories for the End of the World, and Short of a Picnic. Shapiro’s 2005 novella It’s Only Temporary was included on the Preliminary Nominee Ballot for the Bram Stoker Award in Long Fiction, and appeared in Nightmare Magazine’s list of the Top 100 Horror Books.

Interview with Eric Shapiro

ML: Tell me a little bit about Greg F. Gifune’s short story “Hoax” and why you wanted to adapt it into a short film.

ES: All I can say about the story is that it’s about a guy in a bar who may or may not be trying to pick up the bartender – and may or may not pose a threat to her. It’s about that and a whole lot more…

Greg and I had been talking for a while about the possibility of me adapting his fiction into film. Since we’re in an environment where indie features are struggling financially, I said I’m of the mindset that it really doesn’t pay to pour yourself, and your cash, into creating 80 or 90 minutes when you can create 15 for a specific audience. Greg’s worked for ages with Shane Staley at DarkFuse, and he got Shane to come aboard and provide us with a digital distribution platform – which I would have been a fool to not jump all over. Great author, great company; I last worked with them on my novella Love & Zombies. They’re organized; they have fans. They’re not caught up in horror scene politics. It’s the first time I’ve done a film where the audience and platform are waiting, which is fun. The alternative is hoping you can find an audience. In this case, it’s hoping what I bring will impress the fans.

 

ML: What is it about Greg’s work that you enjoy so much?

ES: A lot of things, but mostly the attitudes of the characters. I get the sense from Greg’s writing that he’s lived a lot, and continues to. I pick up on a sensitivity in the prose. These aren’t sunny or prepackaged personalities; they’re difficult and ambiguous, and very human. It’s heavy material, but his poetic prose gives it a lift. He’s a major artist. Plus he has a gift for coming up with creative story lines you wouldn’t have expected. And his work is in a very classic vein. My own prose is more outwardly gonzo and manic; Greg’s more with the people.

 

ML: What are the differences and/or similarities between writing books/short stories and writing screenplays?

ES: On a technical level, it’s the fact that fiction is a finished thing and a screenplay is a blueprint for something else. However, my fiction is often spare and screenplay-like, and my screenplays are often poetic and prose-like, so I tend to mesh and blend what each medium has to offer. On a professional or political level, I think prose is more personal and screenplays are more social. The editors and publishers I’ve encountered in the fiction world hold your work as sacred in a sense. It’s a more private and intimate medium than films. More introverted. With screenwriting, I’m often working with producers or co-writers who are coming at it from the standpoint of having fun and/or making a hit. Creating an exciting experience for ourselves and the audience. It’s more extroverted and party-like.

 

ML: Which do you enjoy more, being an author or being a filmmaker?

ES: I’m gonna punt and say screenwriter, but it happens to be the truth. My passions reach their maximum when I’m screenwriting. Producing and directing are incredibly demanding jobs, particularly when funds are limited. You’re up against time. Technology’s erratic. You’re managing a bunch of personalities and expectations. I’m generally pretty quiet when I direct, which comes from caring so much. If I started to outwardly express how much I care about the end result, I’d be screaming and giving grand speeches all day. But that’s no way to behave, so I internalize it and pipe it all into the work, which is exhausting. So directing’s more like a sport for me. Filmmaking’s fun in the writing phase, though – and post-production, which is a lot like writing. More grounded and pleasure-producing.

 

ML: Where does your creative inspiration come from?

ES: Since I became a dad four years ago, my mind is generally focused on my kids: where they are, are they OK, are they fed, happy, what’s next on the schedule. I don’t float up into the ether as much, so creativity’s become more about ass-plus-seat. I work constantly as a ghostwriter and editor, so I have daily deadlines and assignments. It’s during the act of creation itself when I’m in the ether again. I just have to do it; the muse doesn’t come to me; I go to her. It’s more intense and exciting that way, as the time is precious. I’m on the clock. Which makes it all sound very dry and practical, but the truth is when I clock in I let loose. My metabolism’s fast; I tend to be emotional; so I just jump. I think everyone’s got that ocean inside; it’s just a question of how willing we are to go in.

 

ML: Besides Gifune, who are some of your favorite authors and genres?

ES: It’s reached the point where there are just so many. One of my favorite aspects of life is changing my perceptual aperture; opening and adjusting for new input and experiences. So I’ll read any genre. I read a book called Assholes: A Theory, by Aaron James recently. That was excellent; it was a complex philosophical examination of what makes someone an asshole, and how to deal with it. I’m reading Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates right now; he did an extraordinary job mapping how his racial consciousness, of himself and his culture, has evolved throughout his lifetime. You feel like you’re in there growing with him. My favorite author as of now is Eric Bogosian, who’s more known for plays like “subUrbia” and “Talk Radio”, but happens to be an extraordinary novelist. He has every aspect of fine prose at his fingertips, mixing high and low, speed and patience, eloquence and grit. He’s pretty amazing.

 

ML: Who are your favorite filmmakers and why?

ES: Oliver Stone’s at the top because of what he’s accomplished in his career, the depth and breadth of his body of work and the amount of topics he’s not only spanned, but actually penetrated and examined. He’s consistently operated within the establishment yet offered a product that they usually would run away from. Whether or not you agree with or accept his points-of-view, it’s amazing to consider how consistently he’s infiltrated the mainstream with radical content. He could have used his talent to make crime films or suspense thrillers, but he’s hunting for bigger game. Kubrick’s up there, too, for the same reasons. Scorsese’s probably the biggest natural talent alive. And from a business standpoint, I like what Coppola’s been up to in the past decade: He self-finances his films and does whatever he wants. He’s taken the studio trip already, so he’s not motivated by conquering the marketplace. He makes his money from wine and puts it into true art. Once you see how the system can muck up your content, that starts to seem like the sanest path to travel…

ML: Thanks so much for your time, Eric.
Hoax will be filming in the next few months, so keep your eye out for it in 2016.